[Ndca-l] NDCA and card-clipping

Sue Peterson bk2nocal
Thu Dec 13 10:53:13 EST 2012

I, like Jane, am especially interested in the idea of a lesson plan of some
sort dealing with this (and perhaps other ethical issues in the new
paperless debate system - deleting speech docs immediately after rounds,
etc.).  I know a lot of the summer camps cover this, but for any that fall
through the cracks, it would be nice to have something for their home
institutions or PT coaches to cover with them.

I also think that a piece of this may be judge education on the issue.  I
am not sure what the best way to do this is - but I think there is some
hesitancy among judges (myself included) in knowing exactly how to handle
these situations, who to alert if we do think it occurs (both coaches,
tournament administration, etc.) and what the appropriate measures are as
far as assigning a loss and points (e.g., what if only one partner is
"caught" doing it - is the assumption that both team members were doing it
and both will receive zero speaker points - depending on the time it occurs
in a round, this may HAVE to happen because only one speaker has spoken),
do we stop the round or let it continue and then use that as a voting issue
or is that something that is up to the debaters to make an argument about?
 Etc., etc.

There are many subjective considerations, but maybe a "best practices"
document would help.



Sue Peterson, Director of Speech and Debate at CSU Chico
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Jane Boyd <JANE.BOYD at gcisd.net> wrote:

>  Thank you for this Tara and the board,
> I like all the suggestion especially the suggested lesson plans on
> clipping and unethical behavior in rounds.  I think part of the problem may
> be that some debaters and coaches don't even know what clipping is and the
> difference in simply highlighting down the card.
> I agree is it NOT NDCA's<https://mail.google.com/_/mail-static/_/js/main/m_i,t/rt=h/ver=jOcLxarclcE.en./sv=1/am=!Cl-cmjeGBYj1NOybNKsLUqxtDvXZl_PNYtFJnST7UNJEoTF-PhaBJLaUa6kShCxSU4Oidw/d=1?random=1351741970550>job to enforce or police but to educate.  Well done!
>  Jane G. Boyd
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> *From:* Tara Tate [ttate at glenbrook225.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:00 AM
> *To:* ndca-l at lists.debatecoaches.org
> *Subject:* NDCA and card-clipping
>   Dear colleagues -
>  The NDCA Board seeks your input in regards to ways that our organization
> can help you as a coach and tournament director in regards to ethical
> practices, such as card clipping.  At national circuit policy tournaments,
> there has been a massive increase of teams being accused of "clipping
> cards".  Many coaches believe that this unethical practice is on the rise.
> We certainly believe this problem extends in to the other debate events as
> well.
>  As an organization that we believe can help the community establish norms
> and common practices as well as being a resource for you, we would like to
> start a community dialogue on how you would like the NDCA to proceed in
> helping the community prevent these instances.
>  The Board has been discussing a wide variety of options and we are
> wanting feedback on what you feel would best help you in regards to
> managing your team and your tournament.
>  Here are some of the actions that have been discussed by the NDCA Board:
>  1 - The NDCA could provide a standard piece of language that tournament
> administrators can utilize in their tournament rules/procedures in regards
> to how your invitational will deal with card clipping.  This would be 100%
> optional - we would write up the language and provide it as a resource.  If
> you like it, you can use it and put it in your tournament documents.
>  2 - The NDCA can provide a model lesson plan on how to discuss this with
> your students - what is card clipping or unethical practices in regards to
> reading evidence?  what should you do if you believe your opponent is
> clipping cards?
>  3 - The NDCA has also discussed a sanctioning type of system that would
> entail not awarding Baker Cup points or Dukes/Bailey Cup points to debaters
> that are caught clipping cards at a tournament and is sanctioned by the
> judge or a tournament official with a loss.  If your team is found "guilty"
> of clipping cards in Round 5 at MBA and awarded a loss by the judge in that
> debate due to that ethical violation, your team would not be able to
> receive Baker points for that tournament.
>  It is widely believed by the Board that it is impossible and not the
> responsibility of our organization to police these activities.  We do
> believe we have control over our own tournament and our own awards but we
> would like input on how the membership body would allow us to proceed.
>  We would like this dialogue to happen in one of two ways:
>  1 - Please feel free to backchannel me or any of our other Board members
> with your thoughts.
>  2 - We will keep a running dialogue about this on the NDCA-L.  We feel it
> is best to not flood the email boxes of all of our NDCA members through the
> NDCA membership mailing list.  Please avoid replying all to  the NDCA
> membership emails.  Replying all to this email will hopefully just send it
> to me and those that are subscribed to the opt-in NDCA-L.
>  Again, the NDCA is an organization that is here to assist its coaches
> with issues that face us.  We believe this is an issue facing our community
> and we would like input on how we should proceed.
>  We look forward to reading your input and providing some direction as we
> move forward on this timely issue.
>  Tara Tate and the NDCA Board
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