[Ndca-l] Issues concerning the high school community

Jim Menick jim.menick
Wed Dec 18 11:51:14 EST 2013

I've been porting it over the the website. I'm pretty sure this list is
open to anyone. I don't know about how or when folks will speak their
minds, but I do find emails have a tendency to disappear. Plus I'm seeing
listserv responses in a number of different gmail windows rather
arbitrarily (which is, as gmail people know, the bane of the latest
iteration), making it hard to follow.

jimmenick.com: Debate, books, and various nonsense

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Stefan Bauschard <
stefan.bauschard at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the fact that this conversation is occurring on email because this
> listserv is, I believe, limited to debate coaches. I think people are more
> likely to speak what is on their minds than if this discussion is moved to
> a public message board.
> Also, I'm a bit sensitive to coaches airing all of their disagreements
> (which is important to do) in front of all of the students.
> I'm curious as to what others think.
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, John M. Masslon II <johnmasslon at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> *I think this is by far the most pressing issue facing HS debate at the
>> moment and am glad to see that a discussion has begun regarding our
>> community?s response.  I wish I could be as eloquent and thorough as
>> Manuel, Stefan, Aaron, Tara, et al, but I know that will not happen.  I
>> would, however, like to add a few of my thoughts on the subject.    First,
>> I think we need to begin is by looking in the mirror.  I believe that many
>> of the problems that have occurred in college debate are the result of
>> coaches pushing the unethical, and in some cases illegal, behavior by their
>> students.  We only need to look as far as the CEDA quarterfinal round a few
>> years ago to see that we, as coaches, are the ones that act in a manner
>> that makes debate a hostile environment for fellow coaches and our
>> students.  This is unacceptable.  I believe that the first step we should
>> take in ensuring that there is no bullying, harassment, etc. by our
>> students is to take forceful action against coaches that promote such
>> behavior.   I know this will not be a popular sentiment, but I think we
>> need to ban coaches who promote such behavior.  I run the tab room at the
>> biggest HS tournament in Western Pennsylvania, and I would never allow
>> Shanara Reid-Brinkley to step foot in a debate at my tournament.  If she
>> chose to coach a HS team, I would not allow that team to be entered in the
>> tournament.  The same would hold true for Bill Shanahan.  By eliminating
>> coaches that act in such a manner from our activity, we ensure that these
>> our students are not being influenced by such bad examples.  We set a
>> precedent for our students that if you act in a manner that is inconsistent
>> with the behavioral norms of debate, you are gone.  Thus, let us begin by
>> looking in the mirror. I also think that it is important that we ensure
>> that students who violate the norms of acceptable behavior at debate
>> tournaments are punished accordingly.  For example, if a student tells
>> his/her opponent in a round that they should kill themselves . that student
>> should be done with HS debate.  That student?s coach should be the one to
>> enforce such a rule, however, that is probably unrealistic.  Instead, I
>> think that if a student behaves in such a manner at a tournament, the
>> tournament director should inform all other tournament directors to not
>> accept that student into future tournaments.  That way, a student knows
>> that if their actions fall so far outside the bounds of acceptable
>> behavior, they will no longer be permitted to participate in this great
>> activity.   Finally, I think that the tabula rasa paradigm has gone to far.
>>  I have traditionally been a fan of ?anything goes? debate and have voted
>> for ?performance? teams more than I have voted against such teams.
>>  However, after what we have seen in college debate recently, I have
>> decided that enough is enough.  I have decided that I will no longer vote
>> for such a team and will give them 0 speaks.  I hope that this stops the
>> spread of what has killed college debate into the HS realm.  I?m not naive
>> enough to think that my one person stand will have such an impact, but I
>> hope that after the inevitable collapse of college debate, more people will
>> realize we need to return to a more traditional style of debate.  This does
>> not mean that we need to get rid of critical arguments, it just means that
>> such arguments need to be made in the context of the resolution.   * The
>> views expressed above are my own and do not reflect the views of Bethel
>> Parks SD, Bethel Park SHS, or my employer.   John M. Masslon II, Esq.
>> Policy Debate Coach, Bethel Park SHS *
>> phone: 703-791-9483
>> fax: 866-241-5219
>> e-mail: johnmasslon at gmail.com
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